thanks, i see, the key is 'until the neckline is broken'. God save me from impatience to make clear of the real meaning of the techniques, i just felt dull with them i knew some of them though. So that's part of the reason i got a bad record so far. But i do know that i can make money in stocks and did accumulate my capital with stocks. Why can't i do the same job here? After leaving the futures for ten years and getting back in again, i still made bad trades. I decided to leave the market for a while, wanting a complete change out of my previous trading style.