Ok I remember now thanks. I have his Emini course I took 10 yrs ago so should dig it out and look for that stuff. Was thinking of using it with the double Bull and double bear ETFs on the SPX (SSO and SDS) Also the Russell 2000 small cap double bear and double bull ETFs UWM and TWM as they have an even higher beta along with the NASDAQ double ETFs (QID and QLD) Plus you can't use too much leverage and get yourself in trouble,lol.....