Thanks Silverbear. I know I'm a loner from another planet but I do try to understand and get along with humanoids as best as possible. I didn't think it was just me that was losing it. I'll post the charts here and what they are telling me when I see something that needs to be seen rightly or wrongly. If nothing else they can always be faded. And I do like your Pivot points on the charts now that I am correctly placing them.